Libyan Turmoil 120 (Part 2)
Global conspiracies
In 1981 I wanted to help the “Mujahedeen” against the Soviets and went with an assistent of Hikmatiyar Gulbuddin to Cairo to obtain Soviet arms from the Egyptian stockpiles.
May I remind you that this was a fight “against communism” by the 7 islamic groups, sitting in Peshawar at the Afghan/Pakistani border.
Imagine my consternation when Gulbuddin’s assistent went straight to Al Hazar theological Islamic University to meet with the Muslim Brotherhood and with a bunch of Marxist Palestinians, closely connected to those same “satanic communists”.
They were extremely careful around me but not careful enough.
At the same time I realized that the official president of the 7 “Mujahedeen groups” was “prof” Sayyaf, “prof” because of 2 years “study” at Al Hazar.
My “what the f..k” reaction was pretty blunt and stopped my cooperation dead in its tracks. I cancelled everything.
So, what do we have now?
The KGB had an idea of undermining the West via the Islamic Jihad idea, already strongly started in Afghanistan against the Soviets themselves. This idea combined with the demolition of Western values and the massive import of drugs for the same reason and for monetary support of the “revolutionary groups”.
Since the Western Intelligentsia is leftist by definition through the leftist “survival networks” in schools and universities, and since those leftist networks have only one thing in mind, sit in the gravy for as long as you can and to hell with morals and truth, and since those leftist Ivy Leaguers sit at the boards and the editorial offices in the major media networks, the “conspiracy” is born, without a real conspiracy planning.
The KGB lost control over their brainstorming project since the beginning, the feeding ground for it in the Muslim extremist groups and in the Western somnolent Academia was simply too perfect for not taking roots.
Now what does this have to do with Libya?
The Muslim extremists live from chaos, they thrive on it.
The present beards who are running the Benghazi horror show are continuously in the background and NOT on the forefront of the battle. They even keep apart, separated from their “fighting pupils” by a “don’t disturb us” attitude.
They did exactly the same thing in Afghanistan, they didn’t fight, they let the others fight and stirred up the turmoil continuously.
The dream of those gangsters, because that’s what they are, is to obtain a small rich country, like Libya, in their hands and to reap the oil profits to finance their lunatic world domination dreams.
In this special Libyan case they are demonizing a benevolent Bedouin leader of a country of tribes to be able to replace him with the criminal help of the 3 Western stooges and their female harpies.
The 3 stooges are only focused on their next election and to hell with the bombed civilians, while the power hungry gangsters/extremists are biding their time and have even obtained the cooperation of a known Mossad playboy, BHL, who has been totally blinded by his own immediate stardom.
To all people who have a little bit of sound judgment left:
THE DANGER IS NOT IN THE CONSPIRACY, THE DANGER IS IN OUR OWN FEELING OF COMFORT AND LET’S NOT ROCK THE BOAT ATTITUDE
@ All
ReplyDeleteFYI: "Conspiracy theory" was originally a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal, or political conspiracy.However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning...
source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory
I agree with this analysis, so it's not quite true or fair to say that I don't believe in conspiracies. My beef is, always has been, and always will be with the 9/11-type conspiracy nuts, the Che internet groupies who 'blame the West in general and the USA in particular for all the evils in this world, who go BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF RATIONAL CRITICISM.
Atl.
Hello Hermes
ReplyDeleteYou may be (very) interested in having a look at this:
http://mierleeu.blogspot.com/2011/05/bloot-toevallig-hierop-afgekom.html
At this time when people are suffering and dying in Libya, regardless of whatever/whoever started it, there are enough legal commentators who say this use of force is against international law. As it is NATO who is doing this, as the military 'arm' of various countries, and many people see this horrendous bombing as immoral, this is what we should protest against to our governments. Their contempt for the rule of law, their lack of humanity and moral principles.
ReplyDeleteJust to remind ourselves, America has never endured aerial bombing as Europe and the East did in WW11. I don't think their public have any concept of how awful it is.
Violence only perpetuates violence. It is obvious 'Nato' has made no efforts or will do to find a negotiated solution. From that we can all draw our own conclusions. CAM
@ Petrus Potgieter
ReplyDeleteI have always wondered about the S.A. nukes.
What happened to the six others?
That Blair, Brown and other Marks are greedy and corrupt is absolutely no news to me.
Why Thatcher would have liked to have those nukes is beyond me, except to create black finances for the Conservative Party, but it is still a stupid criminal move and rather unfitting for her.
Anyway, politicians should be vetted for genetic malfunctions today from the moment of conception.
It's the only breed for which I would recommend abortion.
@ Petrus Potgieter
ReplyDeleteI know a bit about the Belgian masonics, a weird bunch, stuck in the 19th century, even in the French Revolution.
The French masonics have a little bit more brains, but still not beyond the beginning of the 20th century.
They are extremely incestuous which makes them very inefficient.
Of course, on their own, in their own field they consider themselves superior and they are overrepresented in the Government bureucracies, because of their incestuous behavior.
From there to world control is a very big step and is not in their possibilities.
Stupid moves are definitely within their possibilities.
The only real dangerous power is the military/industrial complex and it's really the only one I am worried about.
That power is now challenged by China and I like it.
Although it is highly unlikely that (m)any commenters on this blog would subscribe to the idea, I have a perfectly rational, non-conspiratorial) explanation (unless we are using the word "conspiracy" in its literal sense i.e. breathing in unison) that 'justifies' the coalition's actions in Libya and elswhere in the Middle East and I'll share it with you on some future threat.
ReplyDeleteNB. You won't have to agree with me or the policy (if it exists) to recognise that this is a personal opinion based on sound historical facts and NOT the irrational ramblings of some wide-eyed conspiracy nut.
Atl.
While I am disinclined to believe that charge of adopting a "let's not rock the boat attitude" is only directed at myself, I'd just like to say that ANYBODY who knows me would tell you this just isn't true. For example, one of my favourite political commentators is Peter Hitchens the former trotskyist who now champions the cause of traditional British (Burkean)/Western/Judeo-Christian values.
ReplyDeleteHe is a conservative (with a small C) and so am I.
He is ultra-critical of the British Conservative Party and so am I.
He is pro-American but criticises the US when he disagrees with its foreign policy and so do I.
He is in favour of the death penalty for murder and champions the right of the individual to bear arms and so do I.
He is pro-Israel but criticises Israel when he sees a need to do so and so do I.
Need more proof? Just ask.
Atl.
Hermes: That Blair, Brown and other Marks are greedy and corrupt is absolutely no news to me.
ReplyDeleteI assume by Marks you mean Marxists, and by Marxists you actually mean all utilitarians, or all social dogmatists.
- Anyway, politicians should be vetted for genetic malfunctions today from the moment of conception. It's the only breed for which I would recommend abortion.
Man is a political animal.
Atl.: I have a perfectly rational, non-conspiratorial) explanation (unless we are using the word "conspiracy" in its literal sense i.e. breathing in unison) that 'justifies' the coalition's actions in Libya and elswhere in the Middle East and I'll share it with you on some future threat.
ReplyDeleteI hope it's a typo... and you'll share it on some future _thread_. Some of us may not survive until the next threat.
@ Levantine
ReplyDeleteI used Marks as a "double entente", Marxists and the individual Mark Thatcher, who isn't the brightest kid on the block.
Conspiracy or not:
ReplyDeleteThis question is tied up with the question of what is intentional or not, which depends on what is conscious or not, and that is an eternal philosophical problem, a subject on which people have never agreed at throughout human history.
Quite regardless of the answer to the conspiracy issue, it has become clear that what people say -in mainstream media and even in private - is grossly insufficient, it doesn't address the obvious facts of the Libyan troubles. There is an urgent need for us, ordinary people, to articulate ourselves in other ways, in better ways, maybe just more honest ways.
" In this special Libyan case they are demonizing a benevolent Bedouin leader of a country of tribes "
ReplyDeleteIf it's true, very few people know of that. Everyone "knows" MG is "brutal."
And why not? No one explained the rationale for those public executions in the 80s. Who were the executed, in the first place? Were they all foreign plotters? And no one addressed the claims here: http://www.npr.org/2011/04/28/135782783/hisham-matar-on-the-power-of-libyan-fiction
You might say there is a lot of propaganda. But in the eightes when my father worked briefly as an engineer in Misurata, he was told that the workers' barracks were previously inhabited by soldiers who were all shot - just a few weeks before he came. When I heard that (as a boy) I wasn’t stupid, I thought that some circumstances could justify that. But what _were_ those circumstances? - I asked myself then, and I'm asking you now whether you can help me about this.
Really.
@ Levantine
ReplyDeleteYes, it was a typo, and I will share it with you on some future thread, but for the moment I'll keep it under wraps because recent comments on this blog HAVE been rational and it's not my intention to cause friction between myself and fellow commenters when its not justified by the evidence before my eyes.
Atl.
@ Levantine & Others
ReplyDeleteFurther to my previous citing of Peter Hitchens, I'd urge everyone interested in learning more to visit his blog and read his latest article 'How I can be so relaxed about Bin Laden's death? It's easy...'
visit: http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
Atl.